no friend zone...how?

comfort zone/ friend zone. Where do they draw the line?

I built comfort, she conforms it by continuing to conversate and recipricate the conversation. Now, I do not want to move to the dreaded just be friends area.

So how do some of you switch it up?

KINO.

Well, that's some guys' weakness.

Also, comfort WITHOUT attraction equals friend zone too.

From my experiance once you're in the friend zone it can be verrrry hard to become anything more. First impresions count big time and even IF a female friend starts to feel attraction for you the chances are she won't wanna ruin the friendship by datting you. You could try DHVing yourself, gently increasing kino and gently pushing the conversation towards sex but it will be 10 times harder than with a stranger. Sure I know a lot of people who've been friends for a while and then started going out but nearly always alchohol was involed.

not creating sexual tension...thats my guess...someone correct me if I am wrong.

~Meg~ wrote:

not creating sexual tension...thats my guess...someone correct me if I am wrong.

That is largely done with kino. Although there are other things you want to be doing as well, this is the main tool for achieving that result.

Agreed, NO KINO = NO SEX. You have to take the opportunities to kino until she tells you to stop basically. Comfort without kino is a one way ticket to the Let's Just Be Friends zone making you an orbiter hoping to get into her pants. I agree with Megs a bit that you have to create sexual tension with your bantering, body language, and other aspects as well.

If I had to do a breakdown I'd say 80% KINO, 10% Verbal Bantering, etc, 10% Body Language.

You're right on point Meg, and all of you.

Kino, Sexual Tension, all of this builds attraction. It all works together. Some guys are ok with some kino, but don't speak sexually. Some guys are the opposite. Some guys don't do either. Both builds sexual tension. You don't need to leave anything out. Your word play, your physical touch, your movement into but not invasion of her intimate space, your eye contact with her, etc., all builds sexual tension, or can repel her if you're not doing it right.

Yeah, lately my kino has been so lax resulting in no results lol

Juice wrote:

Yeah, lately my kino has been so lax resulting in no results lol

Yeah, girls notice that with the quickness.

Last night I was working two different girls. Had kino going with both of course. One right off the bat, a black girl, and the other I purposely DIDN'T touch her immediately. I ended up dancing with her though and of course touched her while doing that.

Kino is one of those things that tells a girl if you're comfortable with yourself, if you're a perv or not, if you get laid currently or not, if you're confident in yourself or not, and other things.

I dont know why my kino'in has poofed away, im usually very touchy naturally

Juice wrote:

I dont know why my kino'in has poofed away, im usually very touchy naturally

Fear . . .

I guess to stray away from the friend zone, a delivery of that certain touch should do it.
There are different styles of kino. I guess that is what makes my game, finding that one calibrated touch.
I would ask myself:
Do it playfully?
touch brief and clean finish?
ask to see her hand (this one needs much comfort, I noticed)

I will find one and calibrate accordingly.

Juice wrote:

Yeah, lately my kino has been so lax resulting in no results lol

Yo juice can you tell which one didn't deliver play?

On the topic of Kino...

When a girl brushes up against your arm, grabs your hand, squeezes your arm, etc...that is Kino.
My question is; is Kino a fool-proof test that you are NOT in the friend zone?

LaRockStar wrote:

On the topic of Kino...

When a girl brushes up against your arm, grabs your hand, squeezes your arm, etc...that is Kino.
My question is; is Kino a fool-proof test that you are NOT in the friend zone?

NO. Not kino in and of itself. Depends on the kino and what else she does along with it.

Does she give other IOI's? Does she want to spend time with you or ask what you are doing, etc.? Or, is she just simply being friendly and maybe she's a touchy feely person?