Best resource site

If you are really trying to get interesting in re-vamping your body, I would suggest you visit www.bodybuilding.com and even hit up the forums.

I swear to you guys, I tried trying to individually research various topics by myself, but that site is really amazing because it assembled all the information for us, plus you learn quite alot.

x2 ive been on bodybuilding.com for about 5 years now its very good to load up on some information and their store is filled with any type of vitamins and supplements you can ask for at great prices...

Here is another good site:

Its an online diet journal that helps you keep track of your exercise and food intake.

http://fitday.com/WebFit/Index.html

^^^ +1

I stay away from bodybuilding.com--way too much ads and BS to sift through. The good articles are evenly mixed in with a terrible one, so it takes too much time to sort the crap from the good stuff.

i hate bodybuilder.com... they promote the use of supplements.. I dnt use that, i am pretty ripped, i bench 210.. I weigh 170.. and i never took a supplement in my life.. its putting shit into your body that is not necessary..

There s nothing wrong with supplements. If you have a perfect diet, then if you are aiming for decent results, then training without supplements is fine.

However, many people want superior and/or faster results, and/or cannot maintain a perfect diet.

suppliments can hurt the kidneys

RussianStar wrote:

suppliments can hurt the kidneys

Which supplements would these be? Nothing comes to my mind, if they are common supplements taken at recommended doses by generally healthy people.

anything through your body goes through your kidneys... which filters the shit outta your body. lots of supplements contain added coloring and chemicals when separated to their base components, become very volatile.. they have been watered down to be processed by the kidneys, but it is still harmful..

RussianStar wrote:

anything through your body goes through your kidneys... which filters the shit outta your body. lots of supplements contain added coloring and chemicals when separated to their base components, become very volatile.. they have been watered down to be processed by the kidneys, but it is still harmful..

Added coloring is hardly restricted to supplements. In fact, a quick review of Biotest's supps shows that of the 24 supplements they sell, exactly two have colorings. Coloring is much more common in other food products like gum, candy, ice cream, etc.

Now, do you have any idea of what you're talking about, or are you just talking out of your ass?

coloring is just 1 of the examples, i also mentioned chemicals.

RussianStar wrote:

anything through your body goes through your kidneys... which filters the shit outta your body. lots of supplements contain added coloring and chemicals when separated to their base components, become very volatile.. they have been watered down to be processed by the kidneys, but it is still harmful..

That is what i actually said

I'm still waiting for evidence to support the existence and danger of these as-of-yet unnamed chemicals.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/nutrition/a/aa030901a.htm

What Supplements Aren't
Products classified as dietary supplements are not required to meet any Food and Drug Administration (FDA) standards. There are no regulations that guarantee the safety or purity of something sold as a supplement. Therefore, supplements are not:

Required to meet the same safety requirements as over-the-counter or prescription drugs or food ingredients
Held to specific manufacturing standards
Guaranteed to meet product potency or purity ratings
Required to prove the effectiveness of any health claim they make
Required to meet safety or efficacy testing

This is what i got from that website..

RussianStar wrote:

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/nutrition/a/aa030901a.htm

What Supplements Aren't
Products classified as dietary supplements are not required to meet any Food and Drug Administration (FDA) standards. There are no regulations that guarantee the safety or purity of something sold as a supplement. Therefore, supplements are not:

Required to meet the same safety requirements as over-the-counter or prescription drugs or food ingredients
Held to specific manufacturing standards
Guaranteed to meet product potency or purity ratings
Required to prove the effectiveness of any health claim they make
Required to meet safety or efficacy testing

This is what i got from that website..

I don't see this as in any way supporting you claim that supplements cause kidney damage.

I certainly didn't suggest that every supplement was safe either. I believe that supplements should only be taken, as I said previously if they want "superior and/or faster results, and/or cannot maintain a perfect diet", and then I tend to only take those protein products that are recommended by a health professional I trust, from a supplement company I trust.

There is absolutely no grounds for a flat dismissal of all supplements. Supplements can serve a valuable purpose.

i think there is no way we can agree on this, haha, its cool. I dont care.. just saying what i found out.

There's is a very simple way for us to agree. Either

1) You produce evidence to support your claim that all supplements are unnecessary and dangerous or

2) You retract your claim and admit you don't know what you're talking about, or misspoke initially.

LAWL! im a pre-med student, i def know what im talkin about.. maybe that rule applied to you, i think this particular thread should be closed cuz nothing good can possibly come outta this thread.


I just dnt get why ur being so argumentative... is he always like this or do i bring out the best in him

RussianStar wrote:

LAWL! im a pre-med student, i def know what im talkin about.. maybe that rule applied to you, i think this particular thread should be closed cuz nothing good can possibly come outta this thread.


I just dnt get why ur being so argumentative... is he always like this or do i bring out the best in him

Rawful! I'm a Sport Medicine Student and passed a proctored Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist through the NSCA...so do you want to compare laurels or what? The thread doesn't need to be closed, but if you want to stop posting in it, that's cool. I think you've already pretty much realized you're wrong, so that would probably be the best way to exit gracefully. As it stands, I think the thread is fairly informative.

As for me being argumentative, I only become so when I think someone is talking out of their ass. So why are you being so avoidant? All I'm asking for is evidence to support what you've been saying.

Tell, you what, I'll even give you a hand. Here are two lists of supplements. I highly regard both Biotest (first list) and John Berardi (second list) for their credibility as a company and as a nutrition coach. If you can find any evidence of unsafe ingredients in any of these supplements, let me know.

https://www.t-nation.com/onlineStore.jsp
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/reviews/supplements.htm?submit=JB+Approved+Supplements&id=459244

haha, i already found it, but im gonna let u win.. the best thing to do is not to react.. this is a prime example of AMOGing

RussianStar wrote:

haha, i already found it, but im gonna let u win.. the best thing to do is not to react.. this is a prime example of AMOGing

Yeah d00d, you totally AMOGed me by not backing up what you say with evidence...

That's okay--the thread speaks for itself.

I AMOGed you by not letting you break my frame

RussianStar wrote:

I AMOGed you by not letting you break my frame

Well, congrats man. Let me know how that works out for you.

pretty good