Here's an experiment..........

Here's an experiment for you to try. Try BLATANTLY rejecting
women. I mean, like be harsh. Like when a woman starts trying to grind
with you on the dancefloor, move away..make it obvious, to the point
where she's embarrassed. Or when she tries to talk to you.......act
like a cold chick and only give her one-word responses. Make her work
to keep the conversation going. Then go out of your way to mention your
"girlfriend". Yeah, this is a nice song. My "girlfriend" really likes
it. It doesn't matter if you have a fuck buddy and aren't in a serious
relationship. Call her your "girlfriend". Ask her if she'll buy you a
drink. If she starts talking about "relationships" and how her
boyfriend is this or that..like how she wishes her boyfriend is more
understanding...agree with her and then tell her that you don't have
that problem with your girlfriend............because your relationship
is based solely on sex. That you only want each other for sex and that
women who have a problem with a relationship based solely on sex are
just frigid and not real women. Just try it. See how it goes And to
anyone who objects to my post, I don't give a shit. Have a nice day

"Try BLATANTLY rejecting women. I mean, like be harsh."

I'm all about keeping pussy off the pedestal, but I don't understand the point of this exercise.

Because most guys are trying too hard when they're seducing women. Even
the so-called pick-up artists (not all of them). They try so hard to
come up with strategies to NOT fuck up when they're picking women up.
They worry about wording things carefully. And calculating this and
that.

To me it sounds like a lot of pick-up artists who worry about
"demonstrating higher value" etc, are simply, once again, in the same
traps. They believe they're pick-up artists because they have a few
"tricks" up their sleeve. But their mentality is still the same. They
concern themselves too much with the woman's approval (although I
suspect the originators of the ideas and techniques meant "demonstrate"
in a non-needy way...and people might mis-interpret that)

I'm saying that instead to do like George Castanza on Seinfeld The
complete opposite of what you "you"....people in general> have been doing. You worry about DHV-ing
because you give a shit what she thinks (I hate pick-up jargon). I say,
SHE has to be the one to demonstrate value to you.

So if she has to be the one to win your approval, then demonstrating
value to her isn't even in your reality. You simply don't give a shit.
Why should you? So what happens is you have people PRETENDING not to
put a woman on a pedistal, but then they try so hard "not to look like
they're picking a woman up" or "to demonstrate value".......and
demonstrate that to whom? To HER. Once again, approval-seeking. It's
the frustrated chump mentality glossed over with pick-up artist
terminology......Actually, I might have misworded the last part of the
sentence. To be "harsh". But being blatant sums it up. This is just an
experiment. You're still to have fun, you just reject women when they
show interest. The point is to get you to do something other than what
you're used to.

You must play YOUR game. Not hers or anyone elses. That means there is
no such thing as "tests". No such thing as "cockblocks". You need no
one's approval so how can anyone "test" you? There are no tests. Only
behaviors you will and won't accept.

I understand what you are saying. However, don't you think there are better ways of accomplishing the same goal? It seems like you are trying to bring her down to a lower level.

I also understand what you're saying Max, but I think you're missing a point to, which is the transition.

Guys need the methods and need to be taught the way they are being taught. This process works, it really does. For those of us who stick with it, we do get to that point of not telling DHV stories specifically to DHV and things like this.

For instance, for myself, I rarely ever "tell a story" about my own life. I banter with the girl. I tease her, joke with her, have fun with her, dance with her, introduce her to friends that I have at the club, or elsewhere, etc. My value is shown through these things. Hell, my value is apparently shown through the phone for girls that have opened me online and are trying to get with me.

I don't purposely try to take her value down either, but I do tease her and if she says something to qualify to me, I'll throw that back at her in a teasing way and tell her I don't believe her, etc.

Last night, I had two different groups of girls, at different points, that I was in their sets. Both of them start qualifying to me, and both times I give them the look of disbelief, so they qualified harder to me.

Also, what you are describing is partially push/pull. I've seen Matador do this with girls as well, physically pushing them away, only to have the girl run back to him. Hell, I've done it myself with girls.

I do see your point, but again, I think you're missing the transition. Guys usually have to start where you're saying they shouldn't be, as in putting up a front, while they work on their inner and outer game, to get them to the point of what you speak of as the end goal. Where their value is shown regardless.

Meg,

From the description it APPEARS that's the intent. The intent has
nothing to do with her and everything to do with disrupting and totally
short-circuiting someone's internal maladaptive reaction systems which
take on a life of their own and become ASSOCIATED to the external
stimulus (the woman). It APPEARS this is aimed at women. The behavior
is merely a means to an end. The part about rejecting women is just
that...rejecting women (means) to the end of creating new behaviors by
disrupting the internal pattern.



It seems fucked up on the surface, but it's really no different than
behavior that you see women display when they're being overtly pursued
by someone they don't want to be pursued by. Go to a nightclub any
night of the week and you'll see what I mean. So what I'm proposing
isn't so far out. It just seems far out because it's a reversal of what
you're used to seeing. The end actually depends on your purpose when
you try it, The end is either to completely reverse your behavior and
disrupt the pattern or to experiment just to see what happens when you
engage in the new behavior....or both.



But anyway, i just want to clear something up. I really love women and
enjoy being around them. I know what I've said on this board before
could be misunderstood......because a lot of it has been focused on
dealing with misbehavior. So it isn't going to be pretty. And it's a
pattern I've noticed that sometimes when you tolerate a situation,
shaking a person out of it is better than being gentle about it. And
some of what I've said goes totally against expected behaviors. I've
advocated the idea that if a woman is worthless to you, you can use her
for all she's worth, meeting her friends, and then get her out of the
picture.



Not "use" as in, take money from her and harm her. Use, as in, the only
use she may be to you is her contacts. And you might as well salvage
the situation. But there are a lot of sweet, beautiful women out there.
And I mean no ill towards you or any woman on this board. I actually
feel love towards you all.



In this life, you will have to fight hard for your emotional rights.
Your rights to do what you choose to do, when you choose to. People
will try to stop you in many endeavors. People will try to impose their
will on you. People will try to rob you of your freedom. Whether you're
a man or woman. And in many areas of life. People that believe it's for
your own good. But YOU must be the one to judge what's for your own
good. You make that decision whether you choose to or not. If you let
others decide for you...you've still unwittingly made the decision to
go along with them. It's better to be the one in control.

There will also be people on your side too. And they'll be there when
you need them. What are YOUR desires? YOUR wants? Are there certain
wants you have that some people would consider socially unacceptable?



Are there things you'd do on vacation that you wouldn't do at home for
fear of being rejected or facing ridicule by friends or family? What
could you be doing that you're not? Can a price be put on freedom? I
would hope not. Can any man or woman take that freedom from you? Only
if you allow them to. So now you know what I'm about. And in some ways,
I believe a person can only know what "love" is once they move towards
freedom. Because what a lot of people call "love" is nothing but
obligation and enslavement.



Move towards being more free, and you begin to have a greater
understanding of what "love" really is for you, personally. Everyone
has their own definition of it. I can't tell you what that meaning is.
You have to experience that for yourself. And you will, one day.

Wow, I don't have the words. good luck