What level are you?

The Nine Levels of PU and Seduction Mastery
This is partially a stab at humor, but also a useful reference.

This isn't a rigid list, but rather a list of qualifiers, being INclusive not EXclusive. Meaning, this list should be interpreted as "If you've done X, chances are you're at Level Y." and "You know you're a X when..." Also, use this list as motivational to where you want to go rather than just a stark categorization of where you are (or were).
AFC Levels
A WBAFC (Way Below Average Frustrated Chump)...

* Is a virgin and thinks women should be "respected".
* Has never kissed a woman in his life, doesn't know how.
* Is sexually repressed in someway; doesn't understand how guys get laid and thinks its wrong to @*#$ women, even if he wants to.
* Couldn't get laid in whore house with $5,000 in his pocket.
* Gets his nails "colored" in order to feel (at least once in his life) what it would be like if a chick was spanking his monkey for him.
* Becomes uneasy or embarrassed when talking about sex. Thinks thongs are gross.
* Sings along to the lyrics of AFC songs out loud and watches way too many Hollywood romantic comedies.
* Gets sweaty and nervous if a woman even looks at him.
* Believes his problem is he hasn't "blossomed" yet
...or worse, doesn't know he has a problem.
* Jacks off to Japanese comics.
* Thinks "be yourself" actually means "be yourself".
* Has had at least 10 crushes on chicks he's never talked to, and is well on his way to 5 more
...before finally realizing he might have an issue (that he hasn't yet met the "right girl").
* Thinks players exist only in fantasy...
...if he even knows what a player is.
* Thinks the character "Ross" on the TV Show "Friends" is a player.

A BAFC (Below Average Frustrated Chump)...

* Thinks he might have a problem
...but doesn't know what the problem is.
* Bases his perception of romantic love on what he sees in movies.
* He believes in "fate" and thinks the advice "being yourself" is gold...he thinks someday he'll magically meet his dream HB and they'll live happily ever after.
* Dresses GQ but talks to dudes all day.
* Realizes players exist, but thinks the lifestyle is evil or to be scorned.
* Believes that Playboy's "playmates" are not really like other women, because when unfolding the centerfold he blurts internally, "Oh Anna-Marie, you are so beautiful you just can't be one of them. I love you so much I should bless you footsteps wherever you go! Muah!".
* When his AFC friends just say "hi" to chicks, he thinks they are players.
* Has never heard the term "alpha male".

A AFC (Average Frustrated Chump)...

* Knows he has a problem attracting chicks
...thinks he'll eventually solve it by doing the same things over-and-over
...or that one day Oprah will give him that one piece of advice that will make the difference.
* Knows players exist, secretly wishes to be one, doesn't know how.
* Has heard the phrase "Let's Just Be Friends" from just about every chick he's taken out on a date.
* Depends on luck for all his success.
* Has that "one girl" he's trying to figure out how to get.
* May have found mASF but still can't admit to himself he's an AFC
...or miraculously realizes how great a PUA he is already is going to become as when he can finally PU that one special girl after reading stuff in ASF for 30 seconds. All he has to do is just post one request for advice on the forum and start it with "This isn't one-itis, but there's this one girl who..."

GPUA Levels
A rAFC (Average Frustrated Chump, starting path to recovery)... [GPUA-1]

* Has finally gotten past the stage in his life of having "crushes" on chicks, but still occasionally falls into the one-itis trap.
* Doesn’t currently have one-itis, but stays in touch with his ex-GF (who nexted him a year ago...so he claims it's not one-itis).
* Thinks masturbation is OK, but would like to and will try to @*#$ a chick once in a while at least for the sake of meeting some new people!
* Has found mASF and admitted to himself he's an AFC.
* Has asked where to find the "Elvis opener" / "newbie mission" at least once
...and has succesfully field tested the one of them, with his mother!!!
* Still doesn't know what the Universal Opener is.
* Thinks a 6 is a HB but at least is starting to approach more women.
* Sees rejection as a bad thing.
* Has # closed 10 girls, but all have the same number... 911.
* Can’t distinguish a flake from a real date...yet.
* Stuck on doing canned openers, isn't aware that openers can be dynamic.
* Has turned "Shit!, I fucked it up again!" into his "preferential" recurrent chorus. But hey, at least he's in first line of fire!
* Is actively working his way to be a GPUA-2 / RAFC.

A RAFC (Recovering Average Frustrated Chump)... [GPUA-2]

* Is able to notice falling into the one-itis trap, but is able to control himself in order to move forward.
* Takes everything he's learned as rAFC and begins to take real actions.
* Knows what the Universal Opener is but still doesn't know its power.
* Knows how to get a lot of number closes and is happy about it
...until he finds out firsthand how flaky almost all women can be.
* Has stopped kicking himself over mistakes in the field.
* Is on his way to curing himself of all aspects of one-itis.
* Is actively working his way to be a GPUA-3 / GPUA.

A GPUA (Green Pick-UP Artist)... [GPUA-3]

* Is approaching as many women as he can.
* Is contact closing regularly and finally understands the flake dichotomy.
...and deals with it properly when he does encounter it.
* Can post interesting field reports and is enthusiastic for feedback when he does.
* Is starting to pull off dynamic openers.
* Is happy to be constantly learning from his mistakes.
* Is finally cured of all past one-itis, is able to detect the onset of it
...and stops it dead in its tracks.
* Has gotten his first lay (with a HB6+ chick) without much dependence on luck - working it almost entirely through his conscious actions
...and is well on his way to banging more with the same repeat of skill.
* Honestly believes for the first time he is already becoming a PUA.
* Can reasonably PU in "street" environments (not just bar, club, or party)
...but may not prefer it (meaning, he has the CHOICE/OPTION).
* Is able to provide useful advice to others on their path to improvement.
* Is actively working his way to be a PUA.

PUA Levels
A PUA / Natural (Pick-Up Artist or "Player")... [PUA-1]

* Can successfully PU chicks on his own, without wings, even in street PU.
* Can get lays from chicks that he's never met before and "cold" PU'd.
* Understands AI / IAI and the "natural" mindset, but doesn't depend on it.
* Structures PU with a systematic "toolbox" mindset.
* Catches himself thinking "Naaaaaaahhhh, I won't post that LR. Looks too similar to that other one I posted last weak... and the chick wasn't more than a 8.5... ".
* Is actually congruent internally/externally when doing PU.
* Knows the distinction between attraction and seduction
...and knows how to manage each stage to optimize his PU experience
...or is capable of melding the 2 into 1 cohesive framework.
* Knows how to manage his internal state consistently to great effect.
* Has methods an know-how which could make a big impact on uASF/mASF/FS101
...and which other (regular) guys can learn to use regularly and successfully.
* Is at least maintaining his skills as a PUA regularly.

A PUE/PUG (Pick-Up Expert/Guru)... [PUA-2]

* Is a PUA who's also become specialized in a specific form of PU to the point of a consistently high success rate in that niche.
* Is conscious enough of his methods and skills to be able to teach them, whether he chooses to or not.
* A guy can be a PUG in a specific method, environment, or kind of chick.
* E.g. RJ is a PUG for SS, TokyoPUA is a PUG for street PU and also Asian chicks.

A PUM (Pick-up Master)... [PUA-2]

* Is a top-form PUA, reaching the highest levels of skill in all areas and may also be specialized in a specific form of PU, but not necessarily.
* Can be a PUE/PUG as well as being a PUM.
* Can PU in street and clubs/bars equally well, environment does not pose a challenge to him.
* Knows how to utilize an "ultimate frame" and the ability to re-frame anything and everything to his advantage.
* Has experienced thoughts such as: "Oh well, my primary was out of the city and I ignored my secondaries as I wanted to bang again that SHB 10, just to know if she deserved to become one of my FBs... but then I thought maybe I'd rather go to the bar with my friends and play pool... "
* Always draws women into HIS reality, not the other way around.
* Gives advice that only PUAs are able to pick up quickly.
* Gives advice so beyond "normal" reality that it makes GPUAs take pause.
* Looks at the game on a much higher level; it is all abstracted to him.
* No longer needs "practice" as his life is the perpetual essence of PU.

(stole this from a PUA site... thought it was pretty interesting)

hahaha i love the rafc one.
Has # closed 10 girls, but all have the same number... 911.

wbafc: Couldn't get laid in whore house with $5,000 in his pocket

Really hope i never meet anyone with this problem.

That's pretty cool! It was good for some laughs. I was pretty sure where I would rank before I read all this.

I'm going to have to agree with what Mystery said on the topic of "levels of pickup". There is only 3 levels of pickup; AFC, PUA, mPUA. As long as you are actively working to better yourself with women, then you are a PUA. Master however, is a level that you can reach after working so hard as PUA.

IMO we are lucky to have two very knowledgeable mPUAs here........bossman LA Tripp (yes heres to your ego =]) and Jsmooth.

As mystery defined there are few levels to his method.

1. Opening a single
2. Opening a group
3. Merging Sets
4. Allowing previous nights success's to assist you in field the next night (aka using a pivot)
5. Allowing previous months success's to assist you in field

Before anyone asks yes myself and Tripp have completed all of these, and continue to over and over again.

LaRockStar wrote:

A PUE/PUG (Pick-Up Expert/Guru)... [PUA-2]

* Is a PUA who's also become specialized in a specific form of PU to the point of a consistently high success rate in that niche.
* Is conscious enough of his methods and skills to be able to teach them, whether he chooses to or not.
* A guy can be a PUG in a specific method, environment, or kind of chick.
* E.g. RJ is a PUG for SS, TokyoPUA is a PUG for street PU and also Asian chicks.

OMG, now I see why some call me a GURU, lol.

Quote :

A PUM (Pick-up Master)... [PUA-2]

* Is a top-form PUA, reaching the highest levels of skill in all areas and may also be specialized in a specific form of PU, but not necessarily.
* Can be a PUE/PUG as well as being a PUM.
* Can PU in street and clubs/bars equally well, environment does not pose a challenge to him.
* Knows how to utilize an "ultimate frame" and the ability to re-frame anything and everything to his advantage.
* Has experienced thoughts such as: "Oh well, my primary was out of the city and I ignored my secondaries as I wanted to bang again that SHB 10, just to know if she deserved to become one of my FBs... but then I thought maybe I'd rather go to the bar with my friends and play pool... "

HA! I've had similar thoughts at times. Interesting.

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* Always draws women into HIS reality, not the other way around.
* Gives advice that only PUAs are able to pick up quickly.
* Gives advice so beyond "normal" reality that it makes GPUAs take pause.
* Looks at the game on a much higher level; it is all abstracted to him.
* No longer needs "practice" as his life is the perpetual essence of PU.

Funny, I've also had the comment made to me about the abstraction thing.

Hmmm, very good post, and interesting. Causes me to see myself a bit differently.

Interesting by that definition my online game speciality qualifies me as PUG. LOL!

I was thinking of something this afternoon that I wanted to add. Mystery defines mastery on the Annihilation Method during the part Mystery is speaking. I think he does a good job explaining how I feel about being in the first two minutes or so.



So like Mystery says, it's 5 for 5, open 5 sets and turn them into 5 relationships. I think that's a little vague so I agree with what you have listed above but I think this should be an added requirement. Just because you have the knowledge doesn't necessarily make you a master, but the application of this art in going 5 for 5 further proves it. However, as he said its a very ellusive term.

L.A. Tripp wrote:

LaRockStar wrote:

A PUE/PUG (Pick-Up Expert/Guru)... [PUA-2]

* Is a PUA who's also become specialized in a specific form of PU to the point of a consistently high success rate in that niche.
* Is conscious enough of his methods and skills to be able to teach them, whether he chooses to or not.
* A guy can be a PUG in a specific method, environment, or kind of chick.
* E.g. RJ is a PUG for SS, TokyoPUA is a PUG for street PU and also Asian chicks.

OMG, now I see why some call me a GURU, lol.

Quote :

A PUM (Pick-up Master)... [PUA-2]

* Is a top-form PUA, reaching the highest levels of skill in all areas and may also be specialized in a specific form of PU, but not necessarily.
* Can be a PUE/PUG as well as being a PUM.
* Can PU in street and clubs/bars equally well, environment does not pose a challenge to him.
* Knows how to utilize an "ultimate frame" and the ability to re-frame anything and everything to his advantage.
* Has experienced thoughts such as: "Oh well, my primary was out of the city and I ignored my secondaries as I wanted to bang again that SHB 10, just to know if she deserved to become one of my FBs... but then I thought maybe I'd rather go to the bar with my friends and play pool... "

HA! I've had similar thoughts at times. Interesting.

Quote :

* Always draws women into HIS reality, not the other way around.
* Gives advice that only PUAs are able to pick up quickly.
* Gives advice so beyond "normal" reality that it makes GPUAs take pause.
* Looks at the game on a much higher level; it is all abstracted to him.
* No longer needs "practice" as his life is the perpetual essence of PU.

Funny, I've also had the comment made to me about the abstraction thing.

Hmmm, very good post, and interesting. Causes me to see myself a bit differently.

LOL, I couldn't resist....I've been telling you and J this for how long now? Come on, you and J have superceded, don't delve too much into that, but it's that core thing you two have that keeps you grounded and humble.

Personally I don't think the 5 for 5 test is an effective measure. Sure, if you do it, it shows you have skill, not gonna dispute that, but if you don't do it, perhaps it's not that you can't, but that you don't find any targets worth having any kind of relationship with. She may be hot as hell and an ONS may count, but I don't like fucking chicks just cause they're hot, they've gotta have an attractive personality and I don't run into a whole lot of those in the hotter girls.

Rye Lee wrote:

Personally I don't think the 5 for 5 test is an effective measure. Sure, if you do it, it shows you have skill, not gonna dispute that, but if you don't do it, perhaps it's not that you can't, but that you don't find any targets worth having any kind of relationship with. She may be hot as hell and an ONS may count, but I don't like fucking chicks just cause they're hot, they've gotta have an attractive personality and I don't run into a whole lot of those in the hotter girls.

Hmm, I wonder why that is Rye? You find them attractive, but not their personality? ......I shutter to think!

Paramour wrote:

Rye Lee wrote:

Personally I don't think the 5 for 5 test is an effective measure. Sure, if you do it, it shows you have skill, not gonna dispute that, but if you don't do it, perhaps it's not that you can't, but that you don't find any targets worth having any kind of relationship with. She may be hot as hell and an ONS may count, but I don't like fucking chicks just cause they're hot, they've gotta have an attractive personality and I don't run into a whole lot of those in the hotter girls.

Hmm, I wonder why that is Rye? You find them attractive, but not their personality? ......I shutter to think!

You've never met a guy that you thought was hot, then when he started talking, you realised you had very different personalities?

Many people (not just girls) don't think about things and don't WANT to think about things, on the same levels that I do. I'm very analytical and deconstructive, I like to see what makes things "tick" so to speak and a lot of people don't have that same urge. A lot of people seem to take things at face value and don't want to have in depth discussions about things. If a girl is the perfect image of what I consider hot, but she'd much rather go get shit faced with her friends at the club, rather than discuss random stuff, then I'm probably gonna find her personality unnattractive, as I'm not into heavy drinkers. Now, if she's interested in getting blitzed and talking about the pretty colours that my ceiling makes and listening to some interesting music, that I'd be more interested in.

Eh, chalk it up to a difference of opinion.

I've been told by a licensed counselor before that I'm actually a very deep and intellectual thinker, and what he said had my wife emphatically nodding her head . . . but I am still able to talk to most girls in the clubs. And find interesting ways of interacting with them. I just don't expect to get into deep conversations IN the clubs, and don't want to for that matter. I'm out to have a good time, not get into deep stuff right there in the club. However, I'll take the girl elsewhere and have no problem getting into deeper stuff. It's just not the place to do it in the club. I want a break from that stuff when I'm there.

I totally understand that people don't want to have really deep conversations in a club and that's cool, I generally don't either. I just think that when you say something intelligent and they can't grasp the meaning of it, that it makes the conversation boring; not that everything has to be intelligent and deep, but occassionally say something with a hint of intelligence or wit to it. If all you're gonna talk to me about, is how drunk you were/are/going to be, then I'm gonna be bored and consider you a waste of skin. It's unfortunate, but I've been meeting far too many people in this city with those things as aspirations and I find it unattractive as hell to have nothing better to do, than go get drunk at a club.

Rye Lee wrote:

Paramour wrote:

Rye Lee wrote:

Personally I don't think the 5 for 5 test is an effective measure. Sure, if you do it, it shows you have skill, not gonna dispute that, but if you don't do it, perhaps it's not that you can't, but that you don't find any targets worth having any kind of relationship with. She may be hot as hell and an ONS may count, but I don't like fucking chicks just cause they're hot, they've gotta have an attractive personality and I don't run into a whole lot of those in the hotter girls.

Hmm, I wonder why that is Rye? You find them attractive, but not their personality? ......I shutter to think!

You've never met a guy that you thought was hot, then when he started talking, you realised you had very different personalities?

Many people (not just girls) don't think about things and don't WANT to think about things, on the same levels that I do. I'm very analytical and deconstructive, I like to see what makes things "tick" so to speak and a lot of people don't have that same urge. A lot of people seem to take things at face value and don't want to have in depth discussions about things. If a girl is the perfect image of what I consider hot, but she'd much rather go get shit faced with her friends at the club, rather than discuss random stuff, then I'm probably gonna find her personality unnattractive, as I'm not into heavy drinkers. Now, if she's interested in getting blitzed and talking about the pretty colours that my ceiling makes and listening to some interesting music, that I'd be more interested in.

Sometimes I will look at "face value" before I look further into a man's persona. But, it is rare that I make a judgement upon that one factor. I am very picky to say the least. I do know what I want, what I need, and what I'm attracted to. I know more about a guy in the first 5 minutes as I would if I knew him for the next 5 hours and so on......and just because there is no attraction, I still talk to the guy, he does have feelings...unless I feel weird and creeped out, which is rare. So, I guess Rye Lee I do have that same urge as you to ply away at people and see who they really are in different situations in general.

So you find a girl unineresting just because she doesn't devote her interest into you, whether she is a drunkard or not? But as long as it is about you, its ok?